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Why didnt Goku Make Gohan a SSj2 in Rosat ?
Topic Started: Apr 1 2013, 01:37 PM (4,005 Views)
DSB Apr 1 2013, 01:37 PM Post #1
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 Its stated somewhere that they came out of Rosat with 3 months left of their full Year

Wasnt it possible for Goku to Keep Training Gohan to be stronger as an MSSj and then making him even angrier and unlock his SSj2 form inside rosat [if they used their full time and another day]?
In the meanwhile , goku would have been even more stronger .

Gohan Going SSj2 in the Rosat would have solved all the problems
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Paste-Ninja Apr 1 2013, 01:43 PM Post #2
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 Because Goku didn't want them to worry about the Cell Games, and he wanted everyone to have a good time and have fun in the 10 days before the Cell Games.
(It might of been 7 days, i've forgot :lol:
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Zenet Apr 1 2013, 01:45 PM Post #3
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Goku didn't know about SS2
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Professor Gohan Apr 1 2013, 01:46 PM Post #4
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Goku didn't know about the SSJ2 unlock, therefore that wasn't a goal to shoot for. They had some time left, but he knew Gohan already had the dormant power to be brought out when the time was right.

With that being said, Goku was basically going by his usual training methods. Rest, recovery, relax, peace, etc before it was time to fight. That most effective way of his, he likes to say.

He knew Gohan's time was right when he was going to fight Cell.
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MrTsoi Apr 1 2013, 01:56 PM Post #5
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 Goku felt Gohan's power up
in the time chamber, and when he felt Gohans power
he probably thought it was more than enough to defeat Cell..
So he took it upon his liberty to Chill out for the remaining few day's
keeping everyone calm and making everyone think he has a plan or a secret weapon..

There was no problems except for Gohan not going out..
How was Goku supposed to know that Cell would power up?
Either way the outcome would be the same.

Gohan would be soooo cocky and Goku would resort to what he did in the Cell games...
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DSB Apr 1 2013, 03:37 PM Post #6
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 But wouldnt it have been bettwer to take the full day to train in Rosat and take another day ?

U see , yes , Goku didnt know about SSj2

But he could have felt it , like him and Vegeta felt about ASSj and USSj , it was around the corner

Wouldnt it be worth it for goku to make Gohan even angrier and release his Dormant powers [he knew about Gohan's Rage Boost's] ?

Goku could have made Gohan's entire potential come out through his rage and give him a Huge Power surge [ SSj2 ] . Even if it stayed for a few minutes , Goku could have tried to release it permanently and allow Gohan to use it anytime , even if he wasnt angry

Then , Goku could have tried to go SSj2 Himself
2 years in Rosat is a great amount of time to train with a partner who's just about as strong as u are
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Frostmourne Apr 1 2013, 05:09 PM Post #7
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 Pretty much as the others said, he had no idea about the SSJ2. I belive he thought it was some sort of hidden powers that Gohan was most known about, so he thought the only way for him to unlock is to get angry. So it would have sounded stressful to tell Gohan in the first place to do that. They would have after all 7 days to relax and all. So he kept him calm and waited til how strong Cell would be. Basicly Goku in the rosat had no idea how strong Cell really was until he got out of it. So when he saw Gohan being a SSJ2 in the rosat, he thought that he had alot of potentials to defeat Cell and the only way for him to do that again is to fight Cell and make him angry. I don't even think it's easy to transform into a SSJ2 as easily as SSJ. You need way more emotional experience for the SSJ2. So even if he knew it, he probably wouldn't try to make him a SSJ2. It requires a very hard moment. So he thought Cell was the perfect opportunity for him to unleash his power.
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90sDBZ Apr 1 2013, 05:47 PM Post #8
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 Maybe he felt that training for any longer would be over-training and would make it even harder for Gohan to master his powers and would leave him exhausted for the Tournament.
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Saiyan Femme Apr 1 2013, 06:41 PM Post #9
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 Goku didn't know about SSJ2 yet...
But I get what you mean, he was looking for a power that surpassed the SSJ1 and he seemed to believe that Gohan's anger would lead him to that. Maybe if Goku and Gohan had stayed in the RoSaT a complete year like they first intended, instead of leaving about a month and a half before their time was up, Gohan would have reached SSJ2 before fighting Cell.
Because leaving the battle up to Gohan's rage bursts might make for a cool story, but it definitely doesn't sound like the best laid plan.
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TheACE Apr 1 2013, 06:51 PM Post #10
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Pause at about 1:29, he looks pretty transformed to me.
I think that may be an "Anime Only" scene, but I've never read a damn thing in any Cell Games chapter that contradicts this. In fact I think that just expands on why Goku was so cool and calm. I'm sure he knew more about Gohan being A Saiyan Ascended Beyond a Super Saiyan.

That and the whole arc before that, Goku, Vegeta and Trunks all almost simultaneously realized that there was a stage beyond Super Saiyan, Gohan was just first one to do it right.

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Saberoph Apr 1 2013, 06:51 PM Post #11
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 That's filler, it never happened in the Manga though.

Kakarrot didn't know about SS2, you can even tell at the Cell Games that he didn't expect Gohan to Transform, it's obvious he assumed that Gohan would just power up and get the job done.
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TheACE Apr 1 2013, 07:07 PM Post #12
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 Well, comparing that scene and contrasting with the Manga...

Goku's the only one who looks like he saw this coming
He still knew of forms beyond. Goku isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, but I feel like he knew more than he let on, just so there wouldn't be any spoilers for plot convenience.
I just think he didn't force Gohan through a transformation because he knew it had to be in a real world context, Goku just has that type of fighting sense, it's in context and character. At least as near as I could tell.
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Saberoph Apr 1 2013, 07:19 PM Post #13
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 Um, not even Gohan knows what's gonna happen when he gets mad before it happens...it just happens. That was established before the Cell Games.

All Gohan knows is he'll get pissed and kill Cell.
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TheACE Apr 1 2013, 07:35 PM Post #14
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Um, not even Gohan knows what's gonna happen when he gets mad before it happens...it just happens. That was established before the Cell Games.

All Gohan knows is he'll get pissed and kill Cell.
Yeah... I wasn't arguing that. And Gohan being a ticking time bomb at any point in time is common knowledge among the Z Fighters. Piccolo figured it out the first day he kidnapped Gohan. Krillin was the source of Gohan going beserk and once he saw it happen twice, Krillin wrote Vegeta off as useless because Gohan kept tripling his ever improving power levels.
I'm just saying that Goku knew that if anyone could take it up to the next level and take down Cell, it had to be Gohan. I guess he didn't know about Gohan turning into that specific type of Super Saiyan or the properties of the tranformation within of itself (He clearly didn't have a name for it lined up, Piccolo and Trunks had to do that for him) but he knew it was going down. Or at least that's what I inferred from the 3 lines Goku actually gets regarding the transformation in the manga.
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Saberoph Apr 1 2013, 07:40 PM Post #15
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 I'm not denying Gohan being a ticking time bomb, but Nobody knew about another Transformation, it was believed that SS could just go on and on, and at the time Kakarrot and Gohan hit a physical wall, and couldn't get any stronger through Training, and tbh Kakarrot assuming Gohan would just power up makes sense.
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